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God is not an excuse for you to be an idiot

I've been hearing on the news about all these people who refused to evacuate with the imminent danger of hurricane Ike. Many of them cited that God will protect them. How someone can put their faith in God that they will be unharmed is stupid on so many levels. If I had a chance to talk to these people, this is what I would say:

First, of all, why don't YOU take care of YOUR own ass instead of God having to take care of it for you? Don't you think it's a bit selfish of you not to take care of yourself when the opportunity is there? Did it ever occur to you that all these people who are trying to get you to evacuate to safety is actually a sign from God to save your sorry ass? If you jump off a cliff, do you put your faith in God that no harm will come to you? How is putting yourself in front of a major hurricane any different?

While I'm not deeply religious, I do feel there are some things that God protects us from, but the are things we have no control over or things we are unaware of. I don't use God as an excuse put myself in danger.

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bookish_cub
Sep. 14th, 2008 04:38 am (UTC)
kauko
Sep. 14th, 2008 05:01 am (UTC)
come on, everyone knows that if a hurricane is coming for you and you stay put and say God will protect you, absolutely nothing bad will happen to you....
inbhirnis
Sep. 14th, 2008 06:41 am (UTC)
There is a certain subset of Christians in this country who seem to think that their deity exists to validate their political viewpoint or to protect them alone. I always get sick when I hear them say things like "God spared us" (from the natural disaster du jour) - meaning the God didn't spare their neighbor -how f**king obnoxious is that?

Or, claiming that a natural disaster means that their deity favors one political party/social group over another. This reached the ultimate level of absurdity at the time of the conventions when some Republican nutcase said that the hurricane that hit Louisiana was a sign that God hated the just completed Dem Convention (while ignoring the fact that it hit during the Republican Convention...) People will make their deity favor their worldview - they always have throughout history, and they always will.
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bjarvis
Sep. 14th, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
There's a difference between having faith and doing something very, very stupid in the name of faith.

When someone flings themselves in front of a moving car, it's stupid thing.

When someone flings themselves in front of a moving car claiming that god will protect them, it's still a stupid thing. Injecting faith doesn't make it non-stupid or immune to criticism.
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bjarvis
Sep. 14th, 2008 02:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
Yes. It's a declaration that personal possessions are more valuable than his/her own life, and they're willfully ignoring the impact of their own death on family, relatives and friends. Worse, if they think they can call for a last-minute rescue when all else fails, they're asking others to put their lives in jeopardy to make up for his/her foolishness.
sibertater
Sep. 14th, 2008 02:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
When bad stuff later happens to these same people do they say, "It was God's fault. I gave him the chance to protect me from a storm and he blew it?"

I have to say that I think you completely disregarded his intent with this post.

I was talking to someone the other day and she told me this story about a guy who was floating out in the middle of the ocean on a raft praying for God to save him. A boat came and he refused their help, saying, "God will save me..." It happened again 2 more times and he said, "No. I will wait on my raft for God to save me." When he died he was standing at the Gates of Heaven and he asked God why he let him die on that raft, alone in the ocean. God said, "Um...I sent you 3 boats..."

I agree with Joe. If the Lord works in mysterious ways, I think we should be on the look out for that.
spikejrt
Sep. 14th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
I heard the same story only it was a man in a flood - with jeep, a boat & finally a helicopter...
sibertater
Sep. 15th, 2008 01:49 am (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
Funny. It can totally be changed to whatever disaster you might need. I love versatile lessons.
inbhirnis
Sep. 14th, 2008 03:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
I would condemn Moore too, for using his deity for his political ends. It works both ways.
kauko
Sep. 14th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
I think you could look at Michael Moore's statements as mocking the trend among conservative Christians to blame every national disaster on the country's failing morality, homosexuality, abortion, etc...., by pointing out that here we had a disaster that if you looked at it that way seemed to be a divine condemnation of the republican party. I hardly think Michael Moore was being that serious.
inbhirnis
Sep. 14th, 2008 08:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
I totally agree with you....Michael Moore does not strike me as someone who would invoke a deity to explain the occurrence of a natural disaster. I'm sure it was tongue-in-cheek.
kauko
Sep. 14th, 2008 05:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
Speaking as a Jew and from the position of the Jewish religion, I would also condemn the notion of sitting in harm's way and trusting God to save you. Judaism is not a religion that advocates such a fatalistic attitude, or trusts in God to do everything. On the other hand Judaism teaches that God gave human beings the ability to do many things for ourselves, even going as far to suggest that human beings are God's partners in the ongoing work of creation.
A good example would be Christian groups who don't believe in medicine and will only rely on prayer for healing. Jews would look at that as ridiculous, as we see human beings' intelligence and ability to understand and practice medicine as itself a gift from God.

And to look at it from another perpective, if you were standing in front of a burning building with people trapped inside, would you just say, oh well, its up to God to save them, or would you actively try to do something to save them?
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snowboardjoe
Sep. 15th, 2008 12:24 am (UTC)
Re: Attacking faith
Hehe, look at this thread! See what you did? :)

Seriously, it was not aimed a a large general group. Who know who uses this as an excuse as someone did to me years ago. Someone completely cut me off in the middle of the road and almost had a serious accident. I got out of my car and started berating them for the stupid maneuver. She just got out and said something like she knew God was looking out for her and that's why she made the careless act.

I hope all of the people were rescued safely, but I hope they get a bill in the mail from FEMA later on.
just_a_sliver
Sep. 14th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
Perhaps god created this particular hurricane just to get these people. He is a personal god, after all.

Edited at 2008-09-14 05:06 pm (UTC)
mstutts
Sep. 15th, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
Wow...angry are we?

:-)
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